FEATHERS GET RUFFLED IN THE ONE/TWO STATE SOLUTION DEBATE


I posted a controversial piece by Uri Avnery the other day regarding his opinion of the supporters of the One State Solution on the Palestinian crisis.
A few days after that, I posted Ilan Pappe’s response to Avnery.

Both Pappe and Avnery live in Israel. Both have dedicated most of their lives to create a situation in Israel of tolerance and understanding towards the Palestinians. Both have literally laid their lives on the line in dealing with threats from the zionazi forces within Israel, to the point where Pappe now feels forced to leave the country as a result.

No one can question the integrity of these two men. Yes, one can disagree with either, one can respond to their arguments, but to lower oneself to the level of one Roger Tucker, editor and publisher of the One State Net, is a completely different matter. His ridiculous accusations that Avnery, Chomsky and even former President Jimmy Carter are ‘closet zionists’ are not even worth a response. His opinions can be seen HERE, on this essay from Counter Currents. It does not do Pappe’s position any good whatsoever to have such people on his ‘side’.

Virginia Tilly, also of the One State Net, adds fuel to the fire with her essay, presented HERE, also from Counter Currents.
Tilly accuses Avnery of using South Africa as an example when she says “Avnery is also greatly mistaken about the nature of the anti-apartheid struggle in South Africa, about which he knows next to nothing and which he uses and distorts only to serve his efforts to defend Israel from serious and effective international repercussions.” Methinks it might be Ms. Tilly herself that knows next to nothing about Uri Avnery or the crisis facing the Palestinian people today.

The obvious ploy used by Tucker of attacking the men rather than the issues is the same as used by the zionists themselves. To me it demonstrates the shallowness of his positions and whatever arguments he may have to defend them.

As I mentioned in my post about Pappe, the Palestinians, as a people have already made their position clear. When Hamas was given the mandate to rule in the Palestinian Authority, they were given the mandate to pave the way for the creation of a Palestinian State. A state for the Palestinians, Independent and Free… not a state to be shared by their oppressors and occupiers.

Palestinians are a proud and powerful people as demonstrated in this wonderful image by our dear Brother Carlos Latuff. They will not be broken and they will see a state of their own soon.

12 Comments

  1. Puppeteer said,

    April 28, 2007 at 08:42

    I know you’ve been tagged once by Renegade Eye, but I tagged you also for the Thinking Blog Award.

  2. DesertPeace said,

    April 28, 2007 at 08:48

    Thanks so much for the ‘vote of confidence’ Puppeteer, but in all fairness I cannot accept this honour from you.
    There are many others in the Blogesphere worthy of this award, for me to accept more than one would take away from their greatness.
    PLEASE give it to someone else, but I do thank you.

  3. I love Munich said,

    April 29, 2007 at 06:08

    You know Steve, I was for many years and ardent promoter for a TWO state solution – I was absolutely SURE that’s the yellow of the egg. On checking maps and statistics though, I distanced myself more and more – out of a VERY SIMPLE reason: there is not enough space anymore for a VIABLE PALESTINIAN STATE!

    Check the maps at Gush Shalom and several other sites – they show it CLEARLY: all that’s left after the ENORMOUS land-theft is bits and pieces, not ONE BIG CHUNK anymore, simply unfitting for to be a “breathing” new state! It looks more like Swiss cheese …

    Besides – a state MUST have an airport which Israel will not grant due to “security-concerns”, as well as a port .. which Israel won’t grant either … they shoot even at FISHERMEN who sail out more that 500 meters! There is NO permission from the Israeli side for TRAGDE, building up ECONOMY, INFRASTRUCTURE ect.! On top – whenever Israel would feel “threatened” – don’t you think they would close ANY lifeline of this newly-fledged state immediately? They will ALWAYS be the ones who have control … and that simply CAN”T work!

    I REALLY thought the conditions CAN be created .. but I am afraid I was wrong.

    What I do perceive TODAY as the ONLY REALISTIC SOLUTION for BOTH sides is a ONE STATE-solution, a getting away of this racist Zionist idea – and have a state where BOTH PEOPLE create the conditions to EQUALLY live together. I know that sounds irrealistic and maybe MANY years will have to pass till then – but I REALLY think under the today-conditions this is the ONLY WAY in order to grant for BOTH PEOPLE safety and security! Israel as Zionist state will have to change direction or better ideology .. it didn’t work and we all know that!

    In a nutshell … I imagine this state to be basically like Palestine was BEFORE al-Naqba when Jews and Arabs lived in friendsly terms side by side.

    I’d be REALLY interested what YOU think about my idea … please let me know!!

  4. DesertPeace said,

    April 29, 2007 at 06:22

    Karin, as sommeone who lived here and knows people on both sides of the wall, your opinion is most valued… However I disagree. As much as I would like to see us all live together in One State, it’s a dream. The zionists will never agree to that concept and the racists will never let it happen.
    Yes, borders will have to be worked out for a Two State Solution, and yes, as it looks now, it will look like Swiss cheese, but at present I do not see any other solution.
    Time is a big factor… Palestinians have waited way too long for their state to be established…. they cannot wait longer… it’s wrong to expect them to.

  5. I love Munich said,

    April 29, 2007 at 14:22

    I guess I should rephrase that … it should go to a ONE state solution VIA A TWO STATE ONE FIRST! How long the TWO state solution will have to last only God knows but I think finally, at the very end – it should turn out to be a ONE STATE SOLUTION!

  6. DesertPeace said,

    April 29, 2007 at 14:25

    That decision will ultimately have to be made by the Palestinians themselves…

  7. Latuff said,

    April 29, 2007 at 17:33

    I support both one-state/two-states
    solutions, but I’m affraid IsraHell isn’t really interested
    in solving the problem, since having the Palestinians as
    enemies will always justify the billions sent by U.S. for
    the giant Israeli security/military aparatus.

  8. DesertPeace said,

    April 29, 2007 at 17:38

    Thanks so much for visiting Carlos. As someone like yourself that knows of the Palestinians struggles from first hand experiences your opinions are more than welcome on this situation.
    Your works have been an inspiration to an entire nation.
    What you say about the US billions is so true… zionism is more than a ‘movement’. it’s a big business.
    All the best to you my dear Brother and thanks again for all your works.

  9. thecutter said,

    May 1, 2007 at 07:21

    I’ve written about this a lot.

    this is an article that expresses just a bit of the reasons I see that there cannot be division of Palestine-Israel into two lands for two separate and divided populations.
    http://peacepalestine.blogspot.com/search?q=no+two+easy+pieces

  10. DesertPeace said,

    May 1, 2007 at 07:38

    Thanks Mary… as another dear Blogger dedicated to the Palestinian cause, your input is most welcome as well as the interesting link you provided.

  11. Roger Tucker said,

    May 7, 2007 at 14:13

    DesertPeace, eh? I’m afraid that I’m going to have to add you to my list of closet Zionists. Although you said that “His ridiculous accusations that Avnery, Chomsky and even former President Jimmy Carter are ‘closet zionists’ are not even worth a response,” your readers might think otherwise. As it happens, I’m hardly alone in making that assessment. Perhaps we’re all just crazy, or ill-informed – the Blogger would have you think so. We can certainly agree to disagree, but to dismiss a reasoned argument out of hand like that is no argument.

    So, dear readers of this blog, please read the editorial I wrote and make up your own minds. And please feel free to look around one-state.net. If you do, and you have an open mind, I’ll lay you ten to one that you too will arrive at the conclusion that the only way to peace in the Middle East is for there to be one democratic, secular state between the river and the sea. There is only one possible alternative, and that is the political Zionist wet dream of Greater Israel, much like the Afrikaaner Nationalists envisaged for So. Africa. Ain’t gonna happen – the world won’t stand for it.

  12. DesertPeace said,

    May 7, 2007 at 14:19

    Roger, if you can add me to that ridiculous list of yours, it’s obvious that you are a stranger to my blog.
    I am not any sort of zionist… closet or open.
    We will definitely agree to disagree on the editorial you wrote.


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