PUTTING ZIONISM OFF LIMITS IN THE DEBATE

2 Views on Norman Finkelstein’s putting Zionism off limits in the debate

nf Exclude Censorship, not Zionism, from the Debate
written by Saja

Dr. Norman Finkelstein spoke on Friday September 26, 2008 to a predominantly Muslim audience at the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn, Michigan. I’d liked a few things I’d read by and about him. His style was engaging and he had generally good things to say – that is, until he started giving the audience practical tips. He said that while his PhD dissertation was about Zionism, we should not get into “ideological conversations about who is a Zionist.” What mattered was focusing on stances on torture and house demolitions. He also advised that Palestinians be “reasonable” and consider compensation instead of their full rights.

I challenged him on this point during Q&A in that opposing occupation without condemning Zionism is like opposing slavery without condemning white supremacy, and that we American taxpayers and participants in the genocide of Palestinians (whether intentionally or not) should have more humility than tell Arabs whether or not to discuss the ideology behind their dispossession. Otherwise, we would look like gatekeepers on the discourse.

Finkelstein became angry insisted that we not engage in “Starbucks discussions” about Zionism! He referred to Chomsky as an example of someone who should not be considered an enemy in spite of their Zionism. Then he deferred to the Palestinian academic sitting next to him who said he agreed with Finkelstein; that Arab nationalism was no longer useful; and that he even supported a Kurdish state! It was unclear why he supported Kurdish nationalism, the existing mode of which divides a war-torn Iraq and serves imperialism, but not Arab nationalism.

With all due credit to his bravery as an academic who lost his career to stand up for (some of) Palestinians’ rights, Finkelstein is not the primary victim of Zionism. Palestinians are, and for them discussion of Zionism is not an armchair philosopher’s debate. To suggest to Arabs not to discuss Zionism is disturbing (while nobody tells Jews and Roma not to discuss Nazism, or African-Americans not to discuss white supremacy). This is what happens when Arab leaders who unequivocally oppose Zionism are either martyred, imprisoned, defeated or sold out.

 

“Conquer All the Violence”: Three Questions for Norman Finkelstein

 

WRITTEN BY Michelle J Kinnucan

 

 

 

Well, Norman G. Finkelstein has thrown down the gauntlet for a “public brawl” by his decision to make public his resignation from the Gaza Freedom March coalition. Finkelstein says, vaguely, he resigned because: “During the week beginning August 30, 2009 and in a matter of days an entirely new sectarian agenda dubbed ‘the political context’ was foisted on those who originally signed on and worked tirelessly for three months.” Apparently, two Palestinian activists, Omar Barghouti and Haidar Eid, living in the West Bank and Gaza, respectively, had the incredible gall to insist that the US-based, Code Pink-backed International Coalition to End the Illegal Siege of Gaza should deviate from the standard Left Zionist American line by clearly acknowledging “that Palestinians have for over six decades been denied their basic rights that they are entitled to under international law, including the right of return, and the fact that Palestinian civil society has adopted Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) as one of its main civil resistance strategies against Israel’s occupation and other injustices.”

The coalition’s newly adopted “Statement of Context” does indeed mention the Right of Return and BDS. This crossed one or more of Finkelstein’s red lines. Now, I’ve read at least three books by Norman Finkelstein and I’ve heard him speak on two occasions. Additionally, I’ve watched debates and interviews with him and read some of his shorter online writings. Finkelstein has shown real courage and made important scholarly contributions to understanding Zionism and the Jewish state. It is unfortunate then that even as he has repeatedly been a victim of Zionists, Finkelstein is himself functionally a Zionist of the Left-liberal persuasion.

He does untold harm to the Palestinian people and the justice and peace movement by peddling his ‘softer’ but disguised Zionism to his adoring fans in the cloak of “the international consensus,” etc. This makes him much more dangerous to the Palestinian solidarity movement than people like Netanyahu or Dershowitz because so many folks are unable or disinclined to see past the impressive surface to the heart of Finkelstein’s pro-Zionist discourse. As Malcolm X once said, “I’d rather walk among rattlesnakes, whose constant rattle warns me where they are, than among those … snakes who grin and make you forget you’re still in a snake pit.”

Not so long ago, but before Finkelstein’s recent resignation, I had the occasion to view Finkelstein’s November 13, 2008, speech on “Resolving the Israel-Palestine Conflict: What we can learn from Gandhi.” This speech is still featured prominently on the front page of Finkelstein’s personal web site. You can watch a video of the speech here or read the text here. Drawing upon that speech and other works of Finkelstein with which I am familiar, I address three questions/comments to Dr. Finkelstein. In the light of his public resignation from the Gaza Freedom March coalition, I think now is a good time to reevaluate his role in the larger movement and the shaping of its discourse. (Except where otherwise noted all Finkelstein quotes below are from “Resolving the Israel-Palestine Conflict: What we can learn from Gandhi”).

First, you say:

If I propose that Palestinians adopt Gandhi’s doctrine of nonviolent civil resistance, it is … because of a compelling pragmatic insight of his. There is nothing violence can accomplish, Gandhi maintained, that nonviolence cannot accomplish—and with lesser loss of life. … Palestinians have little to show for the violent resistance; indeed, nearly all the reckonings after eight years of bloodletting fall squarely in the debit column. It is at least arguable that the balance-sheet would have been better had Palestinians en masse adopted nonviolent civil resistance.

If you truly believe this then why is it that with scant exceptions you have never made it a point to speak directly or forcefully in favor of the ongoing, nonviolent Palestinian boycott campaigns against Israel? Specifically, I am referring to the 2005 call by 171 Palestinian political parties, unions, NGOs and networks for for broad boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) against Israel and the 2004 Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel.

Second, you characterize “the occasional calls for eliminating the ‘Zionist entity’ and embracing a ‘one-state’ solution” as “not command[ing] international legitimacy” and “enjoy[ing] exactly zero international support.” You ask: “Where is the legal or moral precedent for dismantling the ‘Zionist entity’ … or a ‘one-state’ solution … ?”

Why do you not acknowledge that at any time in the last forty-one years the Israeli government had the power to let Palestinians try to form a Palestinian state? The Israelis chose instead to colonize the occupied territories. Why do you not acknowledge that the “two-state solution,” aside from being arguably unworkable now, is the very epitome of apartheid and that the global South African anti-apartheid campaign provides us with the applicable legal and moral precedent? Why don’t you just avoid the “sterile debate” of one vs. two-state by embracing the goals of the Palestinian BDS campaign? They are:

1. Ending Israel’s occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall;
2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and
3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194.

Third, you state:

The Caribbean poet Aimè Cèsaire once wrote, “There’s room for everyone at the rendezvous of victory.” Late in life, when his political horizons broadened out, Edward Said would often quote this line. We should make it our credo as well. We want to nurture a movement, not hatch a cult. The victory to which we aspire is inclusive, not exclusive; it is not at anyone’s expense. It is to be victorious without vanquishing. No one is a loser, and we all are gainers if together we stand by truth and justice. “I am not anti-English; I am not anti-British; I am not anti-any government,” Gandhi insisted, “but I am anti-untruth—anti-humbug, and anti-injustice.”(188) Shouldn’t we also say that we are not anti-Jewish, anti-Israel or, for that matter, anti-Zionist? The prize on which our eyes should be riveted is human rights, human dignity, human equality. What, really, is the point of ideological litmus tests such as, Are you now or have you ever been a Zionist?

At not inconsiderable cost to yourself, you have undertaken to expose the “Holocaust Industry” as an ideological construct used to, among other things, mask human rights violation by Israel. Isn’t it ironic that having taken on this loaded subject you are now counseling others to disregard Zionism, another ideological construct?

Your invocation of Aimè Cèsaire and Edward Said is curious to say the least. Here is Cèsaire’s poem in its entirety:

For it is not true that the work of man is finished
That man has nothing more to do in the world
But be a parasite in the world
That all we now need is to keep in step with the world.
But the work of man is only just beginning
And it remains to man to conquer all the violence embedded
in the recesses of his passion
And no race possesses the monopoly of beauty, of intelligence, of freedom
There is a place for all at the rendezvous of victory.

Yes, there is “a place for all at the rendezvous of victory” but your words do a disservice to Cèsaire, Said, and Gandhi when you suggest that the violent ideology of Zionism should remain untouched and unchallenged and when you casually, but misleadingly, equate British colonial rule of India with the creation of the Jewish state–Israel–in Palestine. In the context of Palestine, ending or radically transforming Zionism is assuredly a key part of “conquer[ing] all the violence,” as Cèsaire put it.

It is inconceivable that Said would agree with your exhortation to neglect or downplay the ideological component of the Palestinian struggle for justice and liberty. In his 1979 “Zionism from the Standpoint of Its Victims,” Said writes:

… effective political ideas like Zionism need to be examined historically in two ways: (1) genealogically in order that their provenance, their kinship and descent, their affiliation both with other ideas and with political institutions may be demonstrated; (2) as practical systems for accumulation (of power, land, ideological legitimacy) and displacement (of people, other ideas, prior legitimacy). Present political and cultural actualities make such an examination extraordinarily difficult, as much because Zionism in the postindustrial West has acquired for itself an almost unchallenged hegemony in liberal “establishment” discourse, as because in keeping with one of its central ideological characteristics, Zionism has hidden, or caused to disappear, the literal historical ground of its growth, its political cost to the native inhabitants of Palestine, and its militantly oppressive discriminations between Jews and non-Jews. …

The fact also that no Palestinian, regardless of his political stripe, has been able to reconcile himself to Zionism suggests the extent to which, for the Palestinian, Zionism has appeared to be an uncompromisingly exclusionary, discriminatory, colonialist praxis . So powerful, and so unhesitatingly followed, has been the radical Zionist distinction between privileged Jews in Palestine and unprivileged non-Jews there, that nothing else has emerged, no perception of suffering human existence has escaped from the two camps created thereby. As a result, it has been impossible for Jews to understand the human tragedy caused the Arab Palestinians by Zionism; and it has been impossible for Arab Palestinians to see in Zionism anything except an ideology and a practice keeping them, and Israeli Jews, imprisoned. But in order to break down the iron circle of inhumanity, we must see how it was forged, and there it is ideas and culture themselves that play the major role. …

It is one of the most frightening cultural episodes of the century, this almost total silence about Zionism’s doctrines for and treatment of the native Palestinians.

More recently in a 2003 interview with David Barsamian, transcribed in a chapter of Culture and Resistance entitled “At the Rendezvous of Victory,” Said said:

Unfortunately, there’s a significant number of Arab intellectuals who … say “Let’s stop talking about the evils of imperialism and Zionism. Let’s start talking about our self-inflicted wounds.” People like Fouad Ajami and Kanan Makiya . It’s a profound self-abjection, which I deeply resent. It suits perfectly the neoconservative idea that people are responsible for their own disasters. As if imperialism never happened, as if genocide never happened, as if ethnic cleansing never happened. I just think it’s outrageous.

During Israel’s Hanukkah Massacre in Gaza last winter, Ilan Pappe highlighted the importance of confronting Zionism. He writes in “Israel’s righteous fury and its victims in Gaza“:

There are no boundaries to the hypocrisy that a righteous fury produces. …

This righteous fury is a constant phenomenon in the Israeli, and before that Zionist, dispossession of Palestine. Every act whether it was ethnic cleansing, occupation, massacre or destruction was always portrayed as morally just and as a pure act of self-defense reluctantly perpetrated by Israel in its war against the worst kind of human beings. … Today in Israel, from Left to Right, from Likud to Kadima , from the academia to the media, one can hear this righteous fury of a state that is more busy than any other state in the world in destroying and dispossessing an indigenous population.

It is crucial to explore the ideological origins of this attitude and derive the necessary political conclusions from its prevalence. This righteous fury shields the society and politicians in Israel from any external rebuke or criticism. But far worse, it is translated always into destructive policies against the Palestinians. With no internal mechanism of criticism and no external pressure, every Palestinian becomes a potential target of this fury. Given the firepower of the Jewish state it can inevitably only end in more massive killings, massacres and ethnic cleansing.

The self-righteousness is a powerful act of self-denial and justification. It explains why the Israeli Jewish society would not be moved by words of wisdom, logical persuasion or diplomatic dialogue. And if one does not want to endorse violence as the means of opposing it, there is only one way forward: challenging head-on this righteousness as an evil ideology meant to cover human atrocities. Another name for this ideology is Zionism and an international rebuke for Zionism, not just for particular Israeli policies, is the only way of countering this self-righteousness. We have to try and explain not only to the world, but also to the Israelis themselves, that Zionism is an ideology that endorses ethnic cleansing, occupation and now massive massacres. What is needed now is not just a condemnation of the present massacre but also delegitimization of the ideology that produced that policy and justifies it morally and politically. Let us hope that significant voices in the world will tell the Jewish state that this ideology and the overall conduct of the state are intolerable and unacceptable and as long as they persist, Israel will be boycotted and subject to sanctions. [emphases added]

So, why is it that you, Dr. Finkelstein, have determined that Zionism is off-limits?

 

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17 Comments

  1. Bibliohistoria said,

    September 8, 2009 at 10:43

    Please excuse the interruption but I cannot access WRH.
    I have cleared my cache and everything. I still get this message….

    This Account Has Been Suspended
    Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible.

    I guess free speech is NO LONGER ALIVE in USA.
    Does anyone have an alternative email addres for MIKE that is NOT through WRH?

  2. desertpeace said,

    September 8, 2009 at 11:16

    Biblio…. and anyone else…
    WRH was hacked yesterday. It took them hours to get it back on line.
    I assume that is the same problem today.
    Hang in there…. I assure you that all will be OK.

  3. September 8, 2009 at 12:54

    Zionism is like being pregnant,
    you are either pregnant,
    or you are not pregnant,
    however, you cannot be “a little bit pregnant”

    Finkelstein is trying to be “a little bit pregnant” or worse is fully pregnant and just has not recognized it yet. This is sad

  4. rehmat1 said,

    September 8, 2009 at 15:09

    It’s funny how the Zionists are in the habit of quoting Gandhi when it comes to the rights of the native Palestinians – showing their acute hypocrisy. Mahtama Gandhi never accepted the so-called Jewish state to be established in British mandate Palestine. He advised Zionist leaders to remain in their European homelands and fight persecution by non-violent protests.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/01/20/gandhi-on-jews-and-palestine/

    Dr. Finkelstein, like Henry Makow PhD and Dr. Noam Chomsky – have voiced their differences with Zionist ideology – but none of them, as far as I know – believe in dismantling the Zionist regime and returning the occupied Palestine to its rightfull owners – the Arab Muslims, Christians and the Jews.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/?s=an+evening+with+finkelstein

  5. Sean Lebas said,

    September 8, 2009 at 16:40

    Has Finklestein actually altered any of his position? Or has he actually been compromised: equivocated? I suspect current political circumstances may have merely elucidated, aggravated the “touchez pas!” fragile core of Finklestein’s own identity politics, i.e., the focused stress intensifying on the mythic identity of what–if anything– is “jewishness” is spinning people out of control. Witness the terrorist settlers, the zionist campaign against miscegenation, the circus of American public life, even Chomsky begins to whine with the obscurantist fervor of Teresa d’Avila.

    The rest of us should just stay calm and move on, keeping a watchful eye on our former “left.”

  6. katz freedman said,

    September 8, 2009 at 18:04

    Zionism and the Right of Return: both are ignored, and both need to be discussed.

    I’m not going to divide and blast anyone like Finkelstein or Chomsky. These two men have tried to bright light onto the subject of oppression and human rights.

    Zionism will die it’s own death. It is a repressive system, that is behind the society curve of acceptance. The longer it has been established, the more damage it does to Jews, world wide. The religion itself, is dated, and losing adherants. This is so much the case that I am reading in Haaritz that Jews no longer support zionism or the state of Israel, and most young Jews are finding marriage outside of the religion.

    The zionists can only continue to give Judaism a black eye, bc their behavior is criminal and opressive. Today, I read that they are privatizing the kubbutz. The time has arrived that the looters will do the entire system in, as their greed has no bounds.

    As for Israel? To say you are Israeli, is to say you are a supporter of a rogue state of criminals. It is the worst reputation in the world to admit any such support.

    It’s only a matter of time before zionism will be exposed.
    9/11 is the sword of Damacles, hanging over Israel’s head.
    When Israel is exposed for that false flag, it will become apparent that support can no longer exist, and everyone will bail out and run for the hills.

  7. Aufzuleiden said,

    September 8, 2009 at 18:24

    The reason that people like Dr Finkelstein and others have advocated positions of non-violence in dealing with the Zionist ideology is quite simple: violence begets violence and hate begets hate. Ideas can only be defeated when they are replaced by ideas and ideals that are more perfectly conceived, that serve the people better, and that address issues that are important to all people living in the area.

    It’s not about the who that matters in the battle against Zionism, it’s that the battle must be contained within the realm of civility in order to have any chance of bringing either side closer to an understanding that is mutually acceptable to both groups that is important. If there is to be a two-state solution that does not result in an immediate war after the signing of the papers it will be necessary to for both sides to find a way to co-exist in the realm of diplomacy, setting aside their fundamental disputes in order to preserve the peace between the two nations.

    Hatred is the result of the environment from which an individual was reared, it is a cultural artifact that has no place in ‘civilized’ society and for which everyone should be working to eradicate with every fiber of their being. When we resort to hatred we immediately lose the battle by lowering ourselves below that of the foe we face; our convictions must never be allowed to denigrate to the extent that we become the equivalent of that which we declare the target of our hatred.

    Hatred is a small-minded way of living that will never lead to the resolution of problems. Hatred is the poison that leads to extremism – to nationalism, fascism, xenophobia, Antisemitism, racism, sexism, and virtually any other ‘ism’ that relates to humanity. We cannot hope to elevate our civilization by living in this manner, hatred must be eradicated on all sides, replaced with efforts to understand, to learn about each other and respect the things that are different and rejoice in what they have in common.

    It can happen, all we need is the will, the desire to see it done and the strength of will to hold to our convictions regardless of the actions of those we perceive to be our ‘enemies’ – they may continue to hate us, but we must not respond in kind.

    Wie viel ist aufzuleiden!

  8. RickB said,

    September 8, 2009 at 21:22

    Zionism needs to be discussed and exposed to the light of day. The overwhelming majority of Americans have never heard of zionism and have no clue what it is: Jewish supremacism, Jewish exceptionalism, Jewish apartheid.

    I’m not surprised at all that the zionist peace rockstar Finkelstein would opt out of the Gaza Freedom March coalition. It’s asking for too much justice. Finkelstein’s schtick is seeking “reasonable” justice that accommodates zionism: http://ww3zionism.blogspot.com/2008/07/finkelstein-hopes-for-resolution-of.html

    If his traveling zionist peace show comes to Milwaukee again, I’ll bring up zionism a third time to him…but more assertively and with less reverence for the zionist peace rockstar.

  9. brian said,

    September 8, 2009 at 21:54

    anyone paying attention that some jewish antizionists have their limits: the Organ theft story in paticular has served to make this clearas witness jewssansfrontiers and mondoweiss and jewish peace networks silence or attacks on Bostrom.

  10. September 8, 2009 at 21:57

    Oaxaca, Mexico, Tuesday 8 September 2009
    Friends (including those I partially disagree with),
    In my essay “Doing away with the Zionist state of Israel, an earned fate”, I said in part, “I start from the basic assumption that the entire Zionist project to plant a Jewish nation-state in the land of Palestine was illegitimate from its inception, based, as we know, on the premise that the land would be taken from its indigenous population, a conquest to be rationalized on grounds of ancient history and religious dogma, and to be achieved by serving the imperial interests of major Western nations.”
    That remains my conviction. I have learned a great deal from Noam Chomsky and from Norman Finkelstein, and I value each of them for their many principled stands. However, that does not imply that I agree with them uncritically. It is possible to criticize either of them for a particular stance without attacking them personally. In my view it is destructive to charge them with being akin to ‘closet Zionists’. I have come to believe that any ‘victory’ supposedly won through a violent struggle cannot, in the long run, lead to a good society. Therefore I support principled, militant, non-violent struggles that respect the lives of all peoples. Changing the dominant global ideology is, in my opinion, an essential part of remaking our world. As I argue in my essay, Changing History, 1, at http://site.www.umb.edu/faculty/salzman_g/t/2009-09-05.htm, we need to aim for fundamental changes. Life is too valuable to destroy it.

  11. Ness said,

    September 9, 2009 at 09:51

    And in this cacophony of personal attacks, (mis)labeling, political issues, cherry-picking lectures, the legality of the state of Israel (see lecture http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/university-of-amsterdam-laws-of-war-hezbollah-one-statetwo-states/), Finkelstein’s *kosherness*, the various perceptions of zionism and other pro and contra’s, everybody seems to forget what the real issue was: the march to lift the siege on Gaza…

    What Mr Finkelstein tried to do, investing time, heart and soul for 3 months, was to create a broad concept as many people as possible could agree to: break the siege so people in Gaza can live as humans again.

    In order to get the jewish crew aboard, he warned you not to open this can of worms – right of return, BDS, the right to resist etc.
    And not because these issues and tactics aren’t legitimate, but because it would alienate those who still hold on to their dream of a peaceful utopian Israel.

    Why is their participation so important? Because these people are your shield, your defense, your safety-guarantee during the March, isn’t that obvious?
    Has he not said that Israel would never shoot at a Noam Chomsky?
    But Israel will not hesitate to attack those that threaten its very existence – and by introducing RoR and BDS, that’s exactly what you do.

    Furthermore, Palestine needs the attention of the media badly. With some jewish heavyweights onboard, favorable media attention would have been guaranteed, creating yet another shield for the ones marching.

    While we were trying to get people to come along here in the Netherlands, some initially refused because they considered it too dangerous.
    And we used the participation of *lefty closet zionists/gatekeepers* to convince them they werent in any danger of becoming an involuntary martyr for the Palestinian cause.

    But without this double shield, we cannot guarantee their safety anymore, and we must advise them to stay away.

    Let us face it. The Israeli criminal entity now in charge of Israel is losing the battle and is more dangerous than ever. It will shoot at everything that moves if it feels threatened and it doesn’t give a damn about the consequences – it is fighting for its life. There are ways to kill this beast, strategic, non-violent ways, and Finkelstein has pointed them out.

    An open confrontation in this gruesome “game of chess” is a very bad and risky move. Now is not the time for such a gambit: it will spoil the game, get people killed!

    And so i beg you, set aside these differences, and get everybody back on board. Kill the beast, not the dream: no one can kill the dream but the sleeper waking up ….

  12. abdelmalek- Tunisia said,

    September 9, 2009 at 14:06

    Another one to succumb to Zionist machinations.

  13. September 9, 2009 at 15:45

    THIS:

    “But without this double shield, we cannot guarantee their safety anymore, and we must advise them to stay away.”

    is nothing more than “scare tactics” and to say that Israel would not shoot at Chomsky or Finkelstein, thereby creating a false fear that those who do plan to attend will somehow now be in danger? Plueeeeze If you think Israel is going to fire off shots at hundreds of “non-important regular Americans” you are delusional. One Finkelstein does not equate to 200 regular Americans.

    And of course that’s just regarding Americans, other countries will have people attend as well. Do you think the Irish government would ignore the murder of an Irish citizen? Or the French government ignore the murder of a French Citizen? Or the British ignore the murder of a British citizen, after all the British sued Israel and won over their killing of another British peace activist.

    get real.

  14. desertpeace said,

    September 9, 2009 at 16:01

    Hey Sis…..
    America has ignored the MURDER of Rachel Corrie….
    America has ignored the ATTEMPTED MURDER of Tristan Anderson.

    Israel protects Jews like Norman Finkelstein by NOT ALLOWING them entrance into Israel.

    So, there might be some truth to what was said earlier.

  15. September 9, 2009 at 17:17

    Hi ya back:)

    maybe they dont like to kill one of their own, but shooting at hundreds of innocent people representing countless countries is not the same IMHO as shooting at an american protesting at the wall or in front of a bulldozer.

    There will be hundreds, if not thousands there in order to stretch the mile long. Nothing in Palestine is safe due to the war mongering zionists, but peole cannot let them (or any one else) scare them off. It wouldn’t work with me, after all, we Irish have faced worse for 30 years now. Israel does not frighten us.

  16. Sean Lebas said,

    September 9, 2009 at 18:04

    “Israel does not frighten us.”

    That’s foolhardy.

  17. Ness said,

    September 9, 2009 at 23:11

    To these Israeli soldiers the marchers are not innocent, irish – they side with the enemy, so they ARE the enemy.
    And they may not frighten you, but they do scare the hell out of other, possible marchers, with less cohones but more wisdom (sorry).

    Israeli soldiers attacked Jacky Rowlands, a prominent reporter, had she not ducked she would have been hit by a gascanister – where is the outrage?
    At the start of this year, they attacked UN buildings in Gaza with white phosphor – were they punished in any way?

    The Gazan people joining the march already have a deathsentence, so if Israel can find an excuse (or create one on the spot) to attack and kill them they will – this is B’ilin on a bigger scale.
    If they “accidentally” hit some western *lefties, commies, arab-lovers and terrorist activists*, who will be blamed? The victims, of course!

    I am not fearmongering, i am telling you they will stop at nothing and get away with everything.
    In USA, Israeli’s run the government. EU is involved and complicit in 9/11.
    Gaza is a warzone. Know thy enemy!


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