THE UNGRATEFUL BASTARDS

How Quickly they forget….
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The role the US played in liberating the prisoners in the nazi concentration camps…. AT THE EXPENSE OF MANY SOLDIERS LOSING THEIR LIVES…
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The role played by the US in supporting Israel (to the tune of $30 BILLION a year) in every way possible since the creation of the state…. AT THE EXPENSE OF THE US TAXPAYER…
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And now they have the chutzpah to claim the following …
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Netanyahu says, You also refused to bomb Auschwitz

by Philip Weiss 
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Netanyahu holding letters between the World Jewish Congress and the US War Department in 1944(Photo: Cliff Owen/AP)

Hopefully, a lot will be written about Benjamin Netanyahu’s angry and defiant speech to AIPAC last night, and about how the Israel P.M., who was flanked by two heavyset guards with clipped hair and shiny suits, sought to rally the Israel lobby against President Obama.

“Amazingly, some people refuse to acknowledge that Iran’s goal is to develop nuclear weapons. You see, Iran claims that it’s enriching uranium to develop medical research. Yeah– right,” Netanyahu said and went on to envision an ICBM headed your way and suggested you tell yourself it is filled with medical supplies.

The speech was notable for Netanyahu likening the Iranians to Nazis, and Iran’s nuclear program to Auschwitz.

“I will never allow my people to live in the shadow of annihilation,” he said. And: “Some commentators would have you believe that stopping Iran from getting the bomb is more dangerous [than allowing Iran to get one.]”

Then Netanyahu got out copies of two letters he said he keeps in his desk, between the World Jewish Congress and the War Department in 1944, when the WJC called on the United States to bomb the extermination camp at Auschwitz, and the War Department refused. The letters are below. The refusal included the argument that attacking the camp might unleash even more “vindictive” behavior.

“Think about that,” Netanyahu said. “Even more vindictive than the Holocaust!”

The John McCloy letter he read from is widely cited among American Jews as a coded statement of anti-Semitism at the highest level of American society at that time. I grew up hearing about McCloy. The suggestion was clear: America didn’t act the last time either. The New York Times is reporting that Obama told Netanyahu that Israel’s war talk had already caused gas prices to go up.

Netanyahu added that 1944 is not 2012, but the difference is that there is now a Jewish state that will take action to save Jews and preserve the Jewish future. “Never again will the Jewish people be supplicants for our very survival,” he said.

We must ask ourselves, What are Netanyahu’s real aims? Is he trivializing the Holocaust for political ends: in order to knock Obama out of the White House or  gain an advantage over a regional competitor? Already Israel has gotten crippling sanctions against Iran, and Obama is promising to do more, and the Republican presidential candidates even more than that. A highly effective politician, Netanyahu has us right where he wants us.  

Here are the letters, from PBS:

WORLD JEWISH CONGRESS

August 9, 1944

Hon. John J. McCloy
Under Secretary of War
War Department
Washington, D.C.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

I beg to submit to your consideration the following excerpt from a message which we received under date of July 29 from Mr. Ernest Frischer of the Czechoslovak State Council through the War Refugee Board:

“I believe that destruction of gas chambers and crematoria in Oswiecim by bombing would have a certain effect now. Germans are now exhuming and burning corpses in an effort to conceal their crimes. This could be prevented by destruction of crematoria and then Germans might possibly stop further mass exterminations especially since so little time is left to them. Bombing of railway communications in this same area would also be of importance and of military interest.”

Sincerely yours,

A. Leon Kubowitzki
Head, Rescue Department

14 August 1944

Dear Mr. Kubowitski:

I refer to your letter of August 9 in which you request consideration of a proposal made by Mr. Ernest Frischer that certain installations and railroad centers be bombed.

The War Department had been approached by the War Refugee Board, which raised the question of the practicability of this suggestion. After a study it became apparent that such an operation could be executed only by the diversion of considerable air support essential to the success of our forces now engaged in decisive operations elsewhere and would in any case be of such doubtful efficacy that it would not warrant the use of our resources. There has been considerable opinion to the effect that such an effort, even if practicable, might provoke even more vindictive action by the Germans.

The War Department fully appreciates the humanitarian motives which promoted the suggested operation, but for the reasons stated above it has not been felt that it can or should be undertaken, at least at this time.

Sincerely,

John J. McCloy
Assistant Secretary of War

 

 

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32 Comments

  1. Olga Brajnović said,

    March 8, 2012 at 14:23

    So they would live with the bombing that would exterminate all the prisoners there, and maybe the evidences of what was happening? Is a kind of assisted suicide for all that people. Maybe they would be asking for it, who knows. But I’m sure not all of them. I don’t know, all this bombing stuff is too much for me. I have seen the results of bombing cities and villages full of civilians, the columns of people going on foot carriages or whatever they had trying to reach some other refuge, the panic at the sound of the engines of the plains in an open field or in a closed space without escape. There are other ways to solve problems. there have to be .The bomber doesn’t see who dies, if is a villain, a guard, a terrorist or a civilian or a victim. He or she delivers blind destruction. There have to be other ways to solve problems. I’m so tired and sad, I can’t write no longer.

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  3. James said,

    March 8, 2012 at 18:44

    It didn’t seem to bother the allies when they firebombed Dresden. Netanyahu should be in a straight jacket.

  4. Donna Bubb said,

    March 8, 2012 at 18:59

    Seems Netanyahu will do/say anything, even using the horror of the Holocaust to maintain his power. When will the U.S. congress, lusting for AIPAC money, stop kissing his ass for all the world to see.

  5. Anonymous said,

    March 8, 2012 at 19:31

    US Govt says 3 billion a year
    You say 30 billion a year
    Baroness Jenny Tonge says 70 billion a year.

    What the hell is the REAL price tag of our “special relationship” with Israel?

  6. PB said,

    March 8, 2012 at 19:43

    If they had carried out the bombing we’d probably be told now that it was proof of our antisemitism

  7. Jeff Mills said,

    March 8, 2012 at 20:14

    Netanhyu is hungrier for war and destruction than Bin Laden could ever have dreamed of.

    The conduct of the state of Israel and its sycophant followers the US is genocide. Their is no other term for it. It is clearly define in the UN Convention on Genocide ironically set up in response to the holocaust.

    It is my desire to see genuine peace in the middle east, but let us not forget the words of Baruch Spinoza from 1670…”Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice”.

    It is time for justice to be applied against the genocidal actions of Israel. If you are not for a unilateral peace then you are for war. You Mr Netanhyu are a true warmonger in the footsteps of the likes of Napoleon.

  8. bajajoes said,

    March 8, 2012 at 20:43

    IF war with Iran is forced upon the US people it will do more to promote
    Anti-Isreali hatred than anything in WW2! Take that to the bank!

  9. Harv said,

    March 8, 2012 at 23:23

    I agree with Ron Paul, Israel does not need the US telling them what to do, but that is the price that comes with our aid dollars.

  10. Bonnie said,

    March 9, 2012 at 01:14

    That’s because we’re HUman beings with mercy and compassion and Netahanyu and his demon horde, Zionists, have no Heart and Souls. They don’t care abut Humans.

  11. uninformedLuddite said,

    March 9, 2012 at 03:21

    I have heard that the letter denying the bombing og Auschwitz was actually written and printed on an early prototype IBM computer. IBM! Mein Gott!

  12. franklin wladyslaw said,

    March 9, 2012 at 05:23

    In August,1944 the Warsawa Insurrection by the Polish AK Home Army was at its height. 200,000 civilians and 100,000 resistance fighter were killed. The city was 85% destroyed. The allies were able to spare a paltry number of aircraft for war material supply efforts by air drop. Now this is the same Polish AK Home Army that smuggled weaponry into the Warsawa Ghetto Uprising so that Jews could fight the Nazis. Netanyahu once again plays the special victim card as if noone else was making the supreme sacrifice in horrendous numbers under the most difficult conditions with virtually no help from the allies. Just as many Polish non-Jews as Polish Jews were killed in the camps. The grandfather of my Polish teen sweetheart whose family came with my family to the U.S. in ’47 had his brains blown away in a cell at Auschwitz. A witness and survivor told her mother where to find his dried blood on the cell wall. On a visit to Auschwitz she found the dried blood exactly where she was told it was and was able to touch and move her hands over what remained. This Polish patriot did not have a drop of Jewish blood. The Israelis do not own the memories of Auschwitz and what happened there. One of the most beautiful and stunning stories the late Rabbi Schlomo Carlebach ever told was the story of the Polish Jew and Polish non-Jew who were blown away together at Auschwitz. It left the San Francisco Jewish audience in stunned silence.

  13. Fiona said,

    March 9, 2012 at 17:20

    Franklin – you say ‘with virtually no help from the allies.’ That’s probably because the allies were too busy fighting and suffering and being killed in other parts of the WWII fighting; triggered, in the UK, by Germany’s invasion of Poland. Clearly, Netanyahu isn’t the only one capable of gross ingratitude here. Poland would still be in German hands without the allies. Do you have ANY idea what London suffered in the Blitz? How many women in the UK had their husbands and fathers die in WWI, their sons and grandsons in WWII? What the British sailors suffered in the Atlantic convoys; what the British army suffered in the trenches; what the British airmen suffered in the fighting in the sky? What the POWs suffered in the camps?

    So don’t say ‘as if no-one else was making the supreme sacrifice in horrendous numbers … with virtually no help from the allies.’ You make yourself look ridiculous. You make yourself look no different to Netanyahu…

    Finally – the real victims in the aftermath of WWII are the Palestinians. It is deeply, horrifiyingly, ironic, that the displacement and ongoing genocide of an innocent people is ‘justified’ by – the displacement and attempted genocide of an innocent people. It is the ultimate insult to the victims of the Holocaust – that Israel can commit the atrocities it does and pretend it’s in ‘their name.’ It isn’t. It’s in the name of greed, and destruction, and evil, and attempted control. The propaganda that has grown up in the wake of the Holocaust, and Israel, is unbelievable. Israel’s whining insults to America now in order to get what they want – MORE death and destruction; MORE control – are inevitable. If you nurture a viper to your bosom; enable it to poison a land and a people – don’t then be surprised if it then feels it can sting you with impunity.

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  15. bajajoes said,

    March 9, 2012 at 19:10

    So true sir! Agreed 100%!

  16. Jeff Mills said,

    March 9, 2012 at 22:22

    I am the very proud descendant of a man who served in WWII, who was awarded the second highest British Award for Gallantry (Military Cross), and was a guest of Adolph for about 4 years as a POW.

    He had many friends who made the ultimate sacrifice.

    His life was very different as a result, he came home to a wife who then left taking his daughter to the US with her new partner.

    Fortunately he met my Grandmother…

    Can Netanhyu stop rewriting history. The allied armies made significant sacrifice, is their loss some how different from that of the Jews?

    There was universally hatred of Judaism at the time. This is not a forum for that but remember this.

    This is just so insulting to those of us who had family members who risked and in some cases gave all to fight for so much. The loss of Jewish life was not the focus of the war. Stopping Facism and Nazism and their attempt to dominate the world was. To say they did nothing for the defense of Judaism is a deliberate misrepresenting of the truth.

  17. franklin wladyslaw said,

    March 10, 2012 at 02:18

    Fiona, you need to look at some more history. One of eight German aircraft shot down during the Battle of Britain were shot down by the Polish squadron fighting with the Brits, a number far out of proportion compared to the Britisn squadrons. The taking of Monte Casino was done by a bayonet charge by Poles and Sihks, the two most reknown knife fighters in the world. Polish losses in that successful charge opening the road to Rome with cold Polish steel cost 900 Polish lives in one day in one battle. You try to make it seem as if the scarifices of the Brits were caused by the German invasion of Poland. Poland made the mistake of believing British and French promises of aid. None came. In 1934 Pilzudski wanted to invade Germany in a preemptive military move to take out Hitler before he became more dangerous. Britain and France refused. Pilzudski wasn’t going to do it alone. You need to look to Britain itself before whining that “ungrateful” Poland is reponsible for British sacrifices. Britain did not lose 20% of its population in the war. Poland did, over six million people. And you obviously are unaware that 40,000 Polish soldiers escaped to fight under General Anders as part of the effort in the western front. Also, during the period of the Warsawa Insurrection German battle losses in puting down the insurrection were 25% of their total losses during that period. The Polish partisans killed 17,000 German soldiers, wounded 8,000. This in addition to destroyed artillery, tanks (last two weeks), military stores, and repair
    installations.
    Also, you should know who you are talking to. See comment #7 in
    Desertpeace’s https://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/zionists-pull-out-their-victim-card-for-israeli-apartheid-week/#comment-47500
    If you are Palestinian, please have my inheritance that my mother fought for. Ungratefulness? LOL
    And I do know something first-hand about refugee camps, spent my first two years in one. My first memories are of the war ruins of Hamburg, nothing but piles of rubble. Then there the memories of constant hunger and begging for a piece of bread with butter. Only later in life do I learn the reason for my hunger: the Jewish-American soldiers operating the black market were siphoning off relief supplies to the DP camps and redirecting them to Palestine.
    The true Holocaust of the 20th century is not the Jewish holocaust, but the Christian Holocaust of 30 million at the hands of Bolshevik Jews. Cheka (75% Jewish) in Yiddish means “animal slaughter”. And what does the Talmud (including two IDF checkpoint soldiers caught on a YouTube gone viral) call non-
    Jews? As I said, Netanyahu is a mad dog drunk on too much Mad Dog, and you can quote me to his face.

  18. franklin wladyslaw said,

    March 10, 2012 at 02:56

    Olga, you are very much correct. During 1944 British and American bombers dropped 1,200,000 tons on the Germans, five times as much as in the previous war years. The thing is that tonnage dropped was area bombing, much of it incendiary bombs, as precision bombing was seen as a failure. So Netanyahu thinks that not area bombing Auschwitz was some kind of betrayal: smacks of that “had to destroy the village to save it” Vietnam War mentality, or the recent had to kill a million Iraqis to save Iraq mentality. Netanyahu waving the 1944 World Jewish Congress letters is chutzpah full of stupidity.

  19. Ryszard Kadziolko said,

    March 10, 2012 at 06:34

    Fiona, I find your comparison of Franklin to Netanyahu thoroughly disgusting and a perversion of what he was trying to say. From my reading he was comparing the plight of the Jews to the plight of the Poles to make the point that the Jews weren’t the only ones who suffered terribly at the hands of the Nazis.

    My parents are Polish refugees having been transported by Soviets and Nazis and escaped and much of what Franklin says resonates, what these people went through is truly horrific. From my information the Poles were part of the allied effort, my father went on to fight in the Polish Corps of the British Army in the allied offensive int Italy and was there when the Poles took Monte Casino. Polish airmen in the Battle of Britain were renown for their fearless head-on attack methods and their will to kill Nazis. The Poles are a nation of warriors.

    Yet after the war Poland was handed by the US/UK to the Soviets and many of my father’s comrades in arms returned to Poland only to “disappear”. My father’s sister was executed by the Soviets for possessing a pistol, his brother died in Siberia. My Mother’s father lost his leg in WWI, her brother was executed by the Gestapo whilst slaving in Austria during WWII and her sister died insane in a British mental institution. The fighting spirit of the Poles made them the first in Eastern Europe to throw off the Soviet shackles.

    But who’s counting. The problem is people like Netanyahu and his handlers. Comparing Franklin to this scum demonstrates arrogance and ignorance.

  20. March 10, 2012 at 07:19

    The only annihilation involved here is the annihilation of innocent arab women and children.

  21. Fiona said,

    March 10, 2012 at 17:06

    Ryszard, my pointing out that Franklin was incredibly insulting and ungrateful towards the allies in his/her remarks, hardly shows ‘arrogance and ignorance.’ (It was a comment about a comment, comparing to another comment/apparant attitude. About ingratitude. I didn’t say Franklin WAS like Netanyahu…)

    The ‘arrogance and ignorance’ here comes from those – including yourself – who ignore the massive sacrifice made by the allies. ALL the allies suffered greatly in WWI and II. Do you want me to mention the number of people from MY family who died in the POW camps/on the battlefield? Mention the ones who came home devastated by what they had suffered/seen? Franklin didn’t exactly show much gratitude towards them, in his/her first post.

    Note: I’m NOT saying the Poles didn’t display great courage and heroism in the war. Of course they did. But so did everyone else involved in the alliance. Franklin, it doesn’t take much reading of my post to see I wasn’t ‘whining’ (hah! Projection much?) about ‘ungrateful Poland’. Just ungrateful you. You are not the whole of Poland(!) The Polish soldiers, from what I’ve heard, were much respected and liked in Britain during the war; and people respected what they were suffering. Incidentally, about nationality – I’d have thought it was pretty obvious I’m British.

    Franklin – suffering is suffering. You can’t say this or that was the ‘true’ holocaust. They’re ALL holocausts of the innocent. And clearly WWII is still a very emotive subject, simply because everyone involved in fighting Nazi/German totalitarianism DID suffer, unimaginably so. (ALL of them, Franklin and Ryszard …!) There are no words, really, to properly describe it …

    In my original post, I said ‘ …the propaganda that has grown up in the wake of the Holocust and Israel …’ I’d like to slightly change that – it wasn’t quite what I meant. The ‘propaganda’ didn’t grow in the wake of the Holocaust – just in the wake of Israel, to try and gain support for the Israeli atrocities against Palestine. Obviously. Again obviously, Israel isn’t a Jewish country – it’s a Zionist one. Whenever Netanyahu (or any of them) speak, in order to try and drum up support, they’re not speaking from the Jewish point of view. They’re speaking from the warmonger/evil point of view, that’s trying to hide behind Judaism, and the Holocaust; use it as leverage; and the sheer evil of that is …. again, there are no words.

    As people are saying, on other forums; Nazism never went away – it’s just resurfaced in another form. Evil, like a virus, doesn’t go away. It waits; it mutates; it tries to grow stronger. And, in the case of Israel, evil is now using it’s previous destruction as a reason for – handing out MORE destruction. More hate, more racism, more death and mutilation.

    There’s got to be something behind it. As others have pointed out – if Germany was so beleagured after WWI and the Treaty of Versailles, where did it get the money and the power to launch a second world war? Why is it Palestine who suffered the longest-lasting effects after WWII? While Germany is now a major monetary power in Europe. Something more is obviously going on behind the scenes (again; stating the obvious.) It’s not even real politik. It’s just evil, deceptive, warmongering, politik.

    Because the Zionists keep using the Holocaust, and WWII, of course deep feelings are going to be stirred up. It’s not THAT long ago. And it’s easy to say we shouldn’t fall into the trap of letting our feelings get stirred up by it.

    Easy to say we should only concentrate on the fact that Zionism (as opposed to Judaism) doesn’t give a TOSS about the Holocuast, or about human suffering; is only using the fact that we do care about it, to try and get its own way, by attempting to lay guilt-trips, or anti-semitism trips, on those who do care. For leverage. Even if those who care are Jewish themselves. You couldn’t make it up!

    So, whenever Netanyahu or any of them speak, it’s not a genuine comment they’re making (as everyone knows.) It’s a designated sting, from a viewpoint of evil wanting more evil, and we shouldn’t fall into the trap of taking the surface comment seriously, and being divided over it (and yes, I know, I did just that! I’ll try not to in future.)

    Sorry this has been a very long, lecture-y post. I’m prob. just talking to myself! I can’t STAND what Israel has done/is doing, to the Palestinians, in the name of previous suffering. And daring to call anyone who dares oppose it, anti-semitic. But I’ll try to get past that, and remember that they’re doing that as a calculated, and not a genuine, response, to hide the Holocaust they’re perpetuating. God bless the young Israelis who are refusing to join the army! Talk about courage.

    And God bless those who fought in WWII for REAL freedom, whether they were Polish, or British, French or Canadian, Norwegian or American – whatever nationality. Their courage and sacrifice is remembered by us all.

  22. Fiona said,

    March 10, 2012 at 17:15

    When Netanyahu speaks, we should all remember, it’s a designated sting; not a genuine belief. Meant to leverage the Holocaust, evil as that is. And we shouldn’t fall for it, and become divided (and yes, I know I did just that!)

    Ryszard, I didn’t compare Franklin to Netanyahu. I compared a comment to a comment, about apparant ingratitude. Read my post carefully.

    Franklin – of course the Poles suffered greatly in the war, and showed great courage and heroism. Just as the rest of the allies did. I didn’t mention ‘ungrateful Poland’. Just ungrateful you. You are not the whole of Poland(!)

    God bless those young Israelis who are refusing military service. Talk about courage.

    God bless all those who fought for real freedom in WWII, whether Polish or British, French or Canadian, Norwegian or American; whatever nationality. Their courage and sacrifice will not be forgotten.

  23. Fiona said,

    March 10, 2012 at 17:38

    And – I’d like to clarify – when I said ‘… the propaganda that has grown up in the wake of the Holocaust, and Israel, is unbelievable’ – I didn’t quite mean that. I meant the propaganda that’s grown up in the wake of Israel; to use the Holocaust as leverage to perpetuate yet more evil.

    Franklin – a holocuast is a holocaust. Pain is pain. You can’t say ‘this is the true one’; ‘that is the true one.’ But yes – all should be given the same publicity; the same horror. And should be used to GENUINELY stop it ever happening again. As opposed to being used as leverage to ALLOW it to happen – right now

    And again – when the Zionists talk about the Holocaust, they’re doing it as a sting; for leverage. Unlike Judaism, they don’t give a toss about the pain involved. They will use it, along with accusations of anti-semitism, to try and silence those who DO care about the pain and suffering being inflicted upon the Palestinians. The sheer evil of it is … unspeakable.

    WWII wasn’t THAT long ago. Feelings will still run high. But we shouldn’t be divided over it; shouldn’t compare in that way. Pain is pain; suffering is suffering. From what I’ve heard, the Polish soldiers in Britain were greatly respected during the war; the pain they were suffering because of the occupation of their country was also respected. (I’m British, if you were wondering!)

    Anyway. I can’t stand it when the Zionists call those who oppose them ‘anti-Semitic’. But I’ll try to get past that, and realise – it’s just a tactic. Designed to try and shut people up; and thus let the Zionists carry on with murder and occupation unopposed. Well – they’re always going to be opposed. In the name of the many holocausts that have happened; in the name of humanity fighting for humanity.

  24. Fiona said,

    March 10, 2012 at 17:44

    Ah! Didn’t think my first reply was going to be posted, hence the repetition(!) Didn’t mean to take up so much space here! God bless … x

  25. franklin wladyslaw said,

    March 10, 2012 at 23:28

    Fiona, pray tell, please explain how I am ungrateful.
    Your long post smack of butt covering to kustify a very arrogant and ignorant personal comment.
    Because of my mother being a surviving resistance fighter placed on the list of Jews to be rounded up Israel grants her survivors a free apartment and monthly stipend for perpuity. I have repudiated that as a result of Israeli actions since Operation Cast Lead. Other earlier atrocities (Jenin) are coming to light with photos. Also, the Israeli actions agaist Christians is also revolting. Most don’t realize that 15% of Palestinians were Christian. It’s now down to 2%/ The Chaldean Christians in Iraq were literally wiped out during U.S. presence there. Much of the Palestinian leadership unbder Arafat was Christian. This is the underside that is rarely spoken of, and it’s in keeping with the perpetrated hidden Christian Holocaust by the Bolshevik Jews. Isarel for the most part is communist/socialist, on;y 5% practice the faith, most are secular, 70% being former Russian soviets.
    I don’t care to have a inherited free place in Israel at the price of a Palestinian being deprived of their home. And evidently, that’s not good enough for you Fiona.
    Two years ago a Catholic pastor here was celebrating his 70th birthday and two of his young cousins came from Germany to help celebrate. We talked at length about Israeli affairs, something they were well versed in. When they learned what my positions were and where my heart was, they said that Europe needed me in Israel. I said what good is that if I’m very quickly thrown in prison for what I believe and know is the truth.
    Better to soeak from a distance. Now, your reading comprehension of what little I said is very seriously lacking. As is noted, comments and bandwidth aren’t free, and I don’t care to write an extended essay as a first or second comment to cover every nuance to satisfy the likes of you. Verstehen sie? Nicht verstehen sie?
    Ryszard, thank you. My father is 100 next month, one of the last surviving veterans of both September ’39 and the Resistance. He was wounded at the Battle of Lodz, taking a bullet in the leg. Fortunately, medicine was bit better by then and he didn’t lose his leg like your maternal grandfather. It’s saddening to see that almost your entire family was wiped out. On my mother’s side I’m all that’s left. When the last Polish anti-communist guerillas surrendered in May, ’47, those of us in the camps were given a choice of where to go. My father couldn’t go home. He once again faced execution by the soviets.
    When you are a child from the age of yr first memories to about five and have witnessed and experienced what I have there is a revulsion for what caused it. It doesn’t matter whether you are a child of Belfast or of Gaza, the effect is the same and that has been much documented. During the Vietnam War I was quickly granted Conscientious Objector status and even though I made myself available to be drafted as a medic, they never did that.
    Fiona, perhaps you need to look at what happened through the eyes of a child. The view is different.
    At the end of the 1st Gulf War the Kurds took refuge in camps inside the Turkish border. A correspondent crew in a helicopter landed to make live interviews. A two year boy stood there and bawled. My hair stood on end and I flipped into a PTSS episode as memories and emotions flooded back in. It never goes away. You just hide it. It’s no different for the very young Palestinian youth, both Muslim and Christian, who have witnessed what the IDF has done.
    U.S. militarism and U.S./Israel warmongering leaves me in a state of total disgust. Yes, cui bono?

  26. franklin wladyslaw said,

    March 10, 2012 at 23:48

    Fiona,
    You need to look at the history of what happened at Yalta. My father was very bitter about it, as are my elder Chinese-American friends. Both Poland and China were sold down the river to please the Soviets. You don’t betray allies who shared in sacrifice and then talk of ungratefullness of any single one of them. It’s nice that England took in 500,000 Poles in the last twenty years. That’s one way to begin to apologize, but you have turned yr country into another police state. We Poles have experience with that.
    So who is projecting what with misdirection? Why don’t you start with retracting the Balfour Declaration? Or are you guilt tripping?
    Excuse my bit of bitterness here, but it is well founded.

  27. franklin wladyslaw said,

    March 11, 2012 at 05:34

    Sorry about the bad typos in post #26, was in a rush to get to town. I should add that I am extremely gratefull for the Scots. It was a Scottish unit of British Marines led by a Scottish captain from Edinburgh who liberated my parents as my mother went into labor. The captain gave over his mobile quarters to Scottish Marine medics to deliver me. 32 years later I met one of those marines hitchhiking in San Francisco on the approach to the Golden Gate Bridge. He was 18 in ’45. It took only five minutes for the truth to come out, and it was a very emotional moment for both of us as the liberator met the liberated. He explained to me how it could only be a Scottish captain who could have done what happened. The Brits were just too anal about proper procedure, to put it mildly.
    I wish the Scots the best in their drive for independence from the Crown. They suffered much under the Land Enclosure Act. And they know betrayal too.

  28. Fiona said,

    March 12, 2012 at 23:30

    Franklin – that’s rather ironic, as I am Scottish, as are all my family, including the ones who fought and died in WWII. And yes, they’re from Edinburgh, and Leith. (You do know ‘Scotland’ counts as ‘the allies’ in WWII …? It actuallly still counts as being part of Britain. The phrase ‘the Brits’ also covers the Scottish, too, you know …)

    I fail to see how my last post ‘smacked of butt covering’. I’m going to put that also down to projection, as I’m afraid I think ‘arrogant and ignorant’ described your first post re the allies. And some of your later posts. Obviously, you don’t care about what the people of England suffered during the war. Why don’t you take a closer look at that? (And I’ll take a look at Yalta.) You can’t write a whole country off because of what the leaders do.

    There’s still a lot of bitterness towards the English in some parts of Scotland, but the rest of us realise – you move on.

    When you write something like: ‘to satisfy the likes of you’ – it hardly makes you seem a great humanitarian. We’re all fellow humans. It seems obvious you didn’t read my last post properly.

    England didn’t take 500,000 Poles in the last 20 years ‘to apologise'(!)
    Actually, I had Polish flatmates for a while, and the guy was VERY interesting re Poland’s problems. Obviously, geographically, you’re in a very bad position. He had the grace not to blame England for everything. You seem more bitter towards England than you do towards Germany!

    I know people who’ve gone through hell, and wouldn’t dream of posting what you have.

    Why on Earth do you think I’d be ‘guilt tripping’? For what?! Talk about arrogant …

    Interesting that you think I, personally, can retract the Balfour Declaration…

    What I WAS going to say – and I don’t know if you’ll read this properly- is that: we’re all connected. You can see it every day on the internet, when people get irate on the comments section; determined to get their point across to a complete stranger. Instead of just shrugging it off as ‘some stranger on the other side of the world who doesn’t matter.’ Because, of course, everybody matters.

    It is horrific when children suffer. Of course what you suffered MATTERS. But so does what ‘the allies’ suffered – and they did suffer.

    I wasn’t referring to what you, personally, had gone through – as I’d thought would be obvious. Just to your statement re the allies – who were, actually, fighting and suffering in other parts of the war. Which you failed to mention. The phrase ‘the allies’ DOESN’T just cover the leaders who make the decisions, you know.

    A LOT of people have a ‘revulsion’ to war. I’m one of them! There is so much pain in this world … And actually, yes, I do try and ‘look at it through the eyes of a child.’ One of the main reasons I can’t bear the insanity of the war evil.

    Anyway, franklin wladyslaw … I wish you well.

  29. Fiona said,

    March 13, 2012 at 00:58

    Aaand – just to clarify – when I wrote, ‘I know people who’ve gone through hell, and wouldn’t dream of posting what you have’ – I did NOT mean your posting of your story, and what you’ve been through. I meant – well, obviously – your words to me personally re my last post.

  30. March 13, 2012 at 07:17

    Dear Fiona: No sane person wants WWIII to start. But there are insane people who do. These are thieves and murderers. They love to plunder and kill. Iran sits atop oil reserves of great magnitude. Syria and Jordan encompass much territory. Guess who, then, is interested in stealing all of Iran’s oil and all of Syria’s and Jordan’ land? You get only three guesses.

  31. Jeff Mills said,

    March 13, 2012 at 09:33

    Fiona and Franklin.

    Thank you both for sharing your stories.

    We all agree that war is hell, and I think we agree that Netanhyu is pushing for it again at all costs….

    Let us hope that the world wakes up in time.

    PS

    Fiona I would love to hear more of your stories.


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