PALESTINE: THE ONE STATE ‘NON’ SOLUTION

As the question of Palestinian Statehood comes to the floor again, the choices of a One or Two State solution arises …… again.

For sixty two years Palestine has been occupied by Israel. Each year more Palestinian lands are stolen, either by the Israeli government or by settlers. The Municipality of Jerusalem is slowly finding ways to rid all of the Holy City of its Palestinian population.
To those that support a One State Solution I ask; how would it be possible for Palestine to exist at all under such a solution? Do you really think that the Israelis will ever be prepared to allow Palestine to be an equal partner in a bi national state? Do you really think that the animosities that exist on both sides of the wall will disappear automatically creating a peaceful environment?

In reality, there HAS BEEN one state since 1948, a zionist controlled one where the Palestinians with Israeli citizenship have lived as second class citizens. Recent developments do not even allow families to be united in cities such as Jerusalem itself.

There is just NO WAY that a One State Solution is possible. Israel might argue that a Two State Solution would pose an unacceptable security threat to them. They have been arguing that same point as things stand today, hence the creation of the wall of apartheid. Israel’s vision of a One State Solution is not different than their ‘final solution’, a Jewish state for Jews only.

Critics have been adding ‘fuel to the fire’ regarding this question; John Mearsheimer recently stated in an address at the Palestine Centre in Washington…

Contrary to the wishes of the Obama administration and most Americans – to include many American Jews – Israel is not going to allow the Palestinians to have a viable state of their own in Gaza and the West Bank. Regrettably, the two-state solution is now a fantasy. Instead, those territories will be incorporated into a “Greater Israel,” which will be an apartheid state bearing a marked resemblance to white-ruled South Africa. Nevertheless, a Jewish apartheid state is not politically viable over the long term. In the end, it will become a democratic bi-national state, whose politics will be dominated by its Palestinian citizens. In other words, it will cease being a Jewish state, which will mean the end of the Zionist dream.

He also stated that….

“Regrettably, the two-state solution is now a fantasy. Instead, those territories will be incorporated into a Greater Israel,which will be an apartheid state bearing a marked resemblance to white-ruled South Africa. Nevertheless, a Jewish apartheid state is not politically viable over the long term. In the end, it will become a democratic bi-national state, whose politics will be dominated by its Palestinian citizens. In other words, it will cease being a Jewish state, which will mean the end of the Zionist dream.”

The full text of his speech (also on video) can be found in THIS post.

The one-state solution means accepting treatment like this, Hokayem says. Emile Hokayem is the Political Editor of Abu Dhabi’s The National. His views can be seen HERE.

One important question that is constantly overlooked is  why should Palestine be treated differently than any other nation? Why can’t they have their own state within their own SECURE borders? My answer to that is that Palestine MUST be allowed to have its own state and not share one with those that have sworn to destroy them.

Can Palestine wait another 62 years to see what a new flag would look like? Can they wat to hear what a new (bi)National Anthem would sound like?? NO WAY! A Two State Solution is the ONLY viable one.

Also see THIS brilliant post dealing with the continuing Nakba…. more reasons why One State is a NON Solution.

18 Comments

  1. May 7, 2010 at 16:38

    I disagree. Why should the Palestinians have to accept the tiny fraction of historic Palestine that would be alllotted to them under any “two-state” solution? And under the Right of Return, if it wereimplemented, wouldn’t many Palestinians end up in the Israeli state anyway? Better to have one state that will be majority Palestinian, if not immediately, then as soon as some of the Palestinian refugees return home. Vitually ALL the “Israeli” land was stolen, anyway, and that should not be tolerated. Even if Palestine had been the UN’s to give away — which it most definitely was NOT — “ownership” of a country does not entitle the new “owners” to expel the people living there; that is called “ethnic cleansing,” and is against “international law” — for what that’s worth.

    As for any Jews who did not like living under a majority Palestinian government, that would be a good time for them to emigrate, which would make things easier for all concerned.

  2. abdul karim said,

    May 7, 2010 at 16:38

    A democratic, secular, bi-national state is the way to go. There is no possible viable Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza. Only a one state solution would work.

    Inshallah

  3. manuel rayyes said,

    May 8, 2010 at 05:57

    The picture above is a clear illustration of what life is now under an apart-hate regime. The National, that rag is your source? Why the fear of a secular state where all enjoy equal rights?

  4. david singer said,

    May 8, 2010 at 07:47

    A two – state solution has been attempted for the last 17 years and has been found impossible to achieve – even with the impetus of the most powerful negotiating team ever assembled – the Quartet – for the last 7 years.

    In my opinion the only possible way to break the current unsatisfactory status quo is the division of sovereignty in the West Bank and Gaza between Jordan,Israel and Egypt.

    The Arab populations of the West Bank and Gaza will become either Jordanian or Egyptian citizens freed from existing Israeli control and occupation. The West Bank Jewish population will retain their Israeli citizenship.

    No one – Jew or Arab – will have to leave his current home or business.

    Like most things in life – a perfect outcome is always difficult to achieve. This solution will at least restore in very large measure the status quo at 4 June 1967 prior to the start of the Six Day War.

    I would be very interested in any comments on this proposal – or any alternative solution anyone might have to end the current stand off.

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  6. frank scott said,

    May 13, 2010 at 21:51

    how can anyone with a real link to palestine accept living in some small division of the nation and calling it a “state”? if someone takes control of your home and later says you can establish your own domicile in the bathroom or cellar, would you accept? what is wrong with one secular democratic state in which people can observe whatever faith they accept – as it was before europeans moved in and took over?

    and for jews who believe nonsense that they will be destroyed by such a state just look at the usa with less than 3% jewish population and in some areas of government, total control…can you seriously think jewish power in palestine, with far more than three percent population, will somehow vanish?
    one secular democratic state for all, as it was before, is the only way to freedom and social justice for all…

    fs

  7. Jon Olson said,

    May 14, 2010 at 00:12

    I tend to frame it this way:

    Israel won’t allow Palestinians a state of their own, the U.S. won’t pressure them to do so in any meaningful fashion, and the rest of the Mideast is powerless to intervene. What Mideastern states can do is refuse to allow any more refugees in, so that Israel has to keep Palestinians within the Occupied Territories. This makes Israel an apartheid state, since they can’t get the Palestinians to emigrate and won’t recognize them as equals or grant them citizenship. Thus, essentially already have a binational one-state solution, but it’s supremely unjust and the Palestinian Authority has no formal recognition as a state by other world governments.

    Palestinians can and should continue pressure for a state of their own in the West Bank and Gaza, but if they succeed through some miracle in achieving their goal, they need to be concerned about what Israel wants in return. The question nobody seems to address is “will Israel attempt to forcibly deport its Arab-Israeli community into any new Palestinian state”? If not, the “demographic question” still exists, and Israel has achieved nothing by allowing Palestinians statehood other than ending the financial cost of military occupation which effectively passed on to the U.S. anyway. If so, Palestinians face a new Nakba, and the new state has to struggle with a new wave of refugee immigration while trying to build a stable economy.

    This is in addition to the fact that Israel has plainly stated that in any future settlement, it insists on full control over Palestinian border crossings and airspace, as well as possibly water, electricity, and other services, and complete Palestinian demilitarization. These demands can be taken as an excuse to deny statehood at all, but in the event that Israel were to relent and allow for statehood, one must consider that these demands would facilitate the new Palestinian state being basically treated as a slave labor camp for Israel (which is pretty much what Israel seems to treat it as now). The Palestinian struggle then would become ridding itself of the remaining vestiges of Israeli domination over time. In essence, as the Palestinian state’s economy and influence grow, it would have to begin renegotiating the deal over its independence. Basically what I’m saying is that eventually all the demands Israel is placing as conditions of Palestinian statehood would need to be eventually ignored, as they’re ridiculously unjust. This, of course, could lead to another war, but at least it would be Israel invading a recognized Palestinian state instead of “a territory”.

    Basically I see any Israeli interest in allowing for Palestinian statehood to be based in a desire to have a place to push the Israeli-Arabs into. For Israel, Palestinian statehood wouldn’t likely mean less ethnic cleansing, but more. That might be my cynicism speaking, and Palestinian statehood might actually lessen tensions between the two peoples (one would hope), but let’s face it, if hostility between the two peoples isn’t quickly lessened by Palestinian statehood then Israel will quickly begin looking at the option of deportation of its Arab residents into the new state and a complete sealing of its borders against Arab immigration, and the new state will have to decide whether to accept a new wave of forced immigration or not. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is one of the real bones of contention in negotiations currently. Israel may wish to obligate the Palestinian Authority to accept Arab-Israelis in such a deportation plan beforehand.

    But regardless of the situation, the benefit to Palestinians of statehood are clear. Statehood would allow for recognition by other world governments. It’s a step toward legitimization. It doesn’t matter whether the solution is 2-state or 1-state binational. Israel’s going to hate it either way, and try to take advantage of it in every way possible. But if it’s recognized by the rest of the world, it’s a start on the road to eventual real sovereignty, not an end to the story.

    My personal view is that the PA should push for sovereignty in the West Bank and Gaza with East Jerusalem as capital, but refuse to allow forced deportation of Israeli Arabs into their territory. Let the Israelis come to terms with their demographic issues themselves. There’s less chance of peace with their neighbors if they have no domestic Arab community to relate to; the Arab-Israeli community can help Israel integrate into the Mideast, much as Mearshimer implied. Yes, integrating means that eventually borders will open, populations will interact, and Israel will eventually cease to be a Jewish state. Not integrating means a perpetual risk and frequent reality of war. Is it cruel to condemn Israeli-Arabs to live with the constant persecution they receive in Israel? Yes. Especially given that with the Occupation ended, the full wrath of Israel’s bigotry will be redirected inward. But life is full of cruel choices. I don’t think the Israeli Arabs would leave willingly anyway, and any actions Israel undertakes to coerce them will likely be exceedingly gruesome. Israel might be less inclined to try if they know they don’t have a place to force them to. On the other hand, it’s possible that “normalization of relations with the Arab states”, long an Israeli demand, might also lead to economic exchanges, increased interaction, and eventually (over a much longer period of time), also result in Israel ceasing to be a Jewish state as it naturally opens itself more and more to its neighbors. Under such circumstances the suffering inflicted on Israeli Arabs by denying them an exit from the bigotry of the Israelis may well end up having been entirely unnecessary, as suffering usually is.

    Good luck, and I’m sorry for everything my country has done and continues to do to enable Israel to hurt your people.

  8. abdul karim said,

    May 14, 2010 at 01:12

    To David Singer: NO!!

    pushing the Palestinians into some tiny bantustans is unjust and only rewarding zionist imperialism and suppremacism.
    The Palestinians have the right to return to their homes, including in Israeli pre-1967 borders. 85% of the people in Gaza come from the Tel Aviv-Haifa region. Its easy for you to say: let the Egyptians take them. That way zionist aggresion would be rewarded. No way! We have the right to return home. All Israeli Jews are welcomed to stay in the Isratine Federation, but they have no right to bar Palestinians from returning home.
    One country for all, democratic, bi-national and equal rights for all.

    And these Kahanist inspired fears that if they become minority the Jews would be endangered is nonsense. They are minority in France, Britain, Russian, America, Argentina, Brazil, Canada etc. They are quite safe, successful and prosperous there. The same would be in Isratine, where they would be 30-40% of the population instead of barely 1-3% as in these other countries.

    Justice, peace, equality, democracy and reconciliation. That is the way. I as a Palestinians have no problem living side by side with any Jewish person in the same state. Why should the Jewish person, neighbour and brother in humanity have a problem with me? After all we are the closest related peoples in the world. We are not merely cousins, but brothers. Blood brothers.

    Let Isratine come and bring reconciliation and closure to this conflict.

    Inshallah

  9. david singer said,

    May 18, 2010 at 00:00

    # To 6. Frank Scott

    One secular democratic state will not work as the history of the conflict between Jews and Arabs has regrettably proved. The Two State solution has been unable to be achieved after 18 years of trying. My suggestion of new negotiating partners – Israel and Jordan – trying to resolve the issue of sovereignty in the West Bank seems the only way forward now.

  10. david singer said,

    May 18, 2010 at 00:35

    # 7. John Olson

    You state:
    “Israel won’t allow Palestinians a state of their own, the U.S. won’t pressure them to do so in any meaningful fashion, and the rest of the Mideast is powerless to intervene.”

    Israel offered such a state to the Palestinian Authority (PA) in 2000 and 2008 in more than 90% of the West Bank and was knocked back because the terms were not acceptable to the PA..

    I don’t know what you mean by the term “meaningful fashion” but if you wish to elaborate further on what steps you believe the US should take then perhaps we can continue this discussion.

    So far as your claim that keeping Palestinians within the Occupied Territories makes Israel an apartheid state might I respectfully point out that:

    1. The Palestinian Authority currently exercises complete civil and security control in Area A – 17% of the West Bank which currently houses 55% of the Arab population of the West Bank.

    2 The Palestinian Authority currently exercises complete civil control in Area Area B – which constitutes 24% of the West Bank and 41% of its Arab population.

    3. Israel currently exercises complete civil and security control in Area C – the remaining 59% of the West Bank where only 4% of the Arab population lives

    How does civil control over 96% of the West Bank Arab population by the Palestinian Authority turn Israel into an apartheid state?

    Finally the creation of a new Arab state between Jordan and Israel has been on the negotiating table for the last 18 years and had got nowhere because the parties cannot agree on the terms for creating it. Your ideas seem to promise at least another 18 years of fruitless negotiations.

    My idea is to try and change the territorial status quo as far as possible to the position that existed at June 1967. Negotiations to try and achieve that objective could be commenced and hopefully finalised within months. I believe Jordan and Israel can come to a mutually acceptable agreement.

  11. david singer said,

    May 18, 2010 at 00:49

    # 8 . abdul karim

    Your claim for the right of return to Haifa and Tel Aviv has been the same claim maintained by the Palestinian Authority for the last 18 years. It has not been accepted – and will not be accepted – by Israel as the basis for any settlement.

    If you wish to continue the conflict – then continue to press for the right of return. But don’t complain when that policy only continues to bring further suffering and misery to the people – and their descendants – for whom you profess to push such a proposal.

    This issue is the biggest stumbling block to an end to the conflict.

    Compensation – yes – for both Arab and Jewish refugees as a result of the 1948 War and exodus of Jews from Arab countries as a result. This is a compromise that can be achieved.

    Right of return – no.

  12. abdul karim said,

    May 23, 2010 at 21:38

    to David Singer:

    so if I read you right, you support continuous warfare and ethnic cleansing to keep me out of the land of my ancestors?
    Thanks for being honest. Now we can see what the problem is: right wing Likudniks who want to keep Palestine free of Palestinians.
    Amazing.
    So you promise further misery to Palestinians, unless they accept Kahanist dictates. I suppose my refusal to accept being shut out fro mthe land of my parents and your ethnic cleansing makes me an extremist, right Mr. Singer?
    And the Israeli crimes against my people are all justified because we dont accept Kahanist dictates, right?

    Thanks for clearing that up, Sir.

    Remember South Afria, Sir. We shall overcome. Your kahanist politics will be abandoned by Israeli Jews.

    Like I said, Sir: I want to live side by side with you in Isratine. But it seems you have a severe case of Arabophobia and totally refuse to live side by side with me. Fortunately, most Israelis are not sharing your extreme right wing views.

    May our children be classmates i nthe same school and may they be best friends.

    Inshallah

  13. david singer said,

    May 24, 2010 at 05:03

    Abdul Karim

    The use of slogans and insulting epithets do not help to resolve the conflict.

    Why are you trying to shoot the messenger rather than focusing your attention on the message ?

    You can look at the facts and accept the realities or continue your struggle. After 90 years I think you would do well to give up on your hopes and dreams. We all have to wake up sometime.

    Consider the following:

    Israel – 17% of Palestine – is already home to more than a million Palestinian Arabs.

    To therefore suggest Israel wants to keep Palestine free of Palestinians is not borne out by this indisputable fact. If what you say is correct these people would have been kicked out long ago

    Your leaders have refused offers by Israel to cede sovereignty in more than 90% of the West Bank -5% of Palestine – where another 2.5 million Palestinian Arabs currently live.

    Then there is the sovereign state of Jordan – 78% of Palestine – whose population is almost totally comprised of persons – or their descendants – born in eastern or western Palestine (excluding the current Iraqi refugees).

    Surely Arab occupation and control of some 80% of Palestine in whatever shape and form its occupants desire is a reasonable outcome for both disputants.

    How can you continue to countenance your people living in refugee camps in Jordan and the West Bank in Area A where the Palestinian Authority has full civil and security control? Are these people to be condemned to living out their lives there whilst people like you continue to convince them that they will one day return to Jaffa and Haifa?

    A Palestinian journalist – Khalid Amayreh – recently wrote:

    “None the less, the Jordanian and Palestinian peoples are the two most homogeneous and closest Arab peoples, given their ethnic, cultural and religious commonality. We are actually one people, as Arab clans on both sides of the River Jordan have one common ancestry.

    This indisputable fact should debunk all the myths about any proclaimed intrinsic distinctiveness, let alone contradictions, between Jordanians and Palestinians.

    It should also demolish all parochial ideologies such as territorial nationalism, namely exaggerated Palestinian and Jordanian nationalisms, ideologies that grow out of fanatical tribalism which Islam condemns as acts of Jahilyya or ignorance.”

    Reunifying the Arab populations on the two banks of the River Jordan as existed between 1948-1967 will give you the national dignity and self determination you had during those years and end any current Israeli occupation or control.

    Why is this not an acceptable – even if not 100% ideal – situation for you to compromise on?

    If you reply please leave personal attacks on me in the garbage bin and concentrate on dealing with the message that appears in this response.

  14. abdul karim said,

    May 24, 2010 at 08:44

    Mr. Singer,

    it is typical of kahanists that any struggle for the right to return to our homeland is condemned as a personal attack. That is a supremacist world view. You dont notice it because of the deep double standards you entertain. The UN resolutions, basic human morality and justice demands that an ethnically cleansed population has the right to return to its homeland. How is that a personal attack?

    The ethnic cleansing must stop and we must be allowed to return home. You do not accept that basic right because of your supremacism, but that is not my problem. Stop projecting and saying i have to give up my dream and right, or else it is a personal attack. I do not attack you, Mr. Singer. I didnt tell you to leave and forget your dreams; you did.

    One state, democratic with equal rights for both peoples. We have the right to return home and vote in the binational state.

    A binational state already exist, but only one of the peoples enjoys full rights. All we have to do is to change the apartheid state that is existing now into a democratic state. The same as happened in South Africa.

    The solution is democracy, not your proposed continuation of apartheid.

    When you say to us to forget our dreams and falsely imply that refusing to give in to your dictates is a personal attack says a lot about your world view and supremacist feelings.

    How would you feel if American Jews were expropriated and expelled from America and then were told by those who did that to them to forget their rights or else they will rot in refugee camps forever and to stop complaining because that is a personal attack on those who expelled them? Do you not realise that you are saying the same?

    Your position is similar to that of the Afrikaners in former apartheid South Africa who were saying the blacks have to take the oppresion and if they dont like it can relocate to other African countries.

    A binational, democratic state is not to be feared, Mr. Singer. It would be a better state than the one existing now. For both peoples.

  15. david singer said,

    May 24, 2010 at 23:46

    Abdul Karim

    The continuing Arab failure to accept the League of Nations decision 90 years ago to permit the reconstitution of the Jewish National Home in Palestine is still alive and kicking in your comments.

    The Arab failure to accept the 1937 Peel Commission Report and 1947 UN Partition Plan to divide Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab States is still being ignored by you.

    The failure to establish your own independent State in the West Bank and Gaza between 1948-1967 when not one Jew lived there and such territory was occupied by Jordan and Egypt seems to have escaped you.

    You are entitled to continue struggling for the right of return to Haifa and Jaffa. You are entitled to live in refugee camps for the rest of your lives and condemn your children and future generations to the same fate.

    Aren’t I entitled to tell you to give it up without you calling me a “kahanist” “supremacist” or a proponent of apartheid? Does that really advance any resolution of the conflict?

    Do I engage in name calling in an attempt to avoid discussing the message you are conveying? I understand your passion but I fear it is blinding your judgment. What you are proposing can only come about by the Arabs successfully prosecuting a war. It will never be achieved in peaceful negotiations.

    I want to end the conflict – not prolong it. You seem to have an entirely different viewpoint.

    Instead of continuing your diatribes – please deal specifically with the following matter I raised with you:

    “A Palestinian journalist – Khalid Amayreh – recently wrote:

    “None the less, the Jordanian and Palestinian peoples are the two most homogeneous and closest Arab peoples, given their ethnic, cultural and religious commonality. We are actually one people, as Arab clans on both sides of the River Jordan have one common ancestry.

    This indisputable fact should debunk all the myths about any proclaimed intrinsic distinctiveness, let alone contradictions, between Jordanians and Palestinians.

    It should also demolish all parochial ideologies such as territorial nationalism, namely exaggerated Palestinian and Jordanian nationalisms, ideologies that grow out of fanatical tribalism which Islam condemns as acts of Jahilyya or ignorance.”

    Reunifying the Arab populations on the two banks of the River Jordan as existed between 1948-1967 will give you the national dignity and self determination you had during those years and end any current Israeli occupation or control.

    Why is this not an acceptable – even if not 100% ideal – situation for you to compromise on?”

    Please answer this question.

  16. abdul karim said,

    May 25, 2010 at 13:46

    You are not the one who sets the parameters of the debate, Mr. Singer. I want my rights and justice and to return to my land.
    I am not the one labelling you a kahanist. Your views do that. I call it how i see it.
    And you are mistaken that it will take a war to achieve the rightful right of return of the Palestinians to their homes. That is a given by the basic principles of international law and basic human decency which you lack. You want to make the current ethnic cleansing permanent.
    This is a South African style struggle for equal rights which we will win. You and a minority of extreme right wing israelis oppose this but you will lose. Demography is destiny. The Palestinians are the majority and we refuse to live as second or third hand inhabitants. You dream that we will give up and give in to your jewish supremacist utopia. You are deluding yourself.

    And these blames that you throw on the Palestinians and making it sound like it is all our fault are not even new. Kahanists used that discourse for 80 years. Its not even original. Dream on.

    You also seem to avoid the issues and only focus on tired, worn out rigth wing cliches.

    You ignore the suffering of an entire people and defend the status quo the same way the Afrikaners did with Their apartheid. You are showing extreme tribalism here but like them you will lose. Justice will prevail and we will return home. We will share the land, but you will not rule over us with the gun, but live as equals. This is the future, not your pipe dream of jewish supremacism and secure ethnic cleansing.

    The fact that you support injustice and support whole heartedly ethnic cleansing marks you as a kahanist. This is the position you chose freely. You are betraying all jewish ideals and history by taking the same position as that of the supressors of jews throught history. You became the monster that they struggled against.

    And just like jews of centuries past didnt give up their struggle for equal rights and freedom, neither will we. It is despicable that you demand that we give up. Your people didnt give up either. How you dont see the moral bankruptcy of demanding that we give up and accept the oppression?

    Your double standards are very plain. So is your exttemism and supremacism. The colonial age has ended Mr. Singer. The israeli apartheid will end too and it will be good for both jews and Palestinians to live in peace with equal rights in the same land. You will be amazed how much can be achieved together once you give up these supremacist views.

    Remember South Africa. The same will happen in Palestine.

  17. david singer said,

    May 26, 2010 at 14:10

    Abdul Karim?
    :
    Are you really that afraid to give me an answer to the following:

    Instead of continuing your diatribes – please deal specifically with the following matter I raised with you:

    “A Palestinian journalist – Khalid Amayreh – recently wrote:

    “None the less, the Jordanian and Palestinian peoples are the two most homogeneous and closest Arab peoples, given their ethnic, cultural and religious commonality. We are actually one people, as Arab clans on both sides of the River Jordan have one common ancestry.

    This indisputable fact should debunk all the myths about any proclaimed intrinsic distinctiveness, let alone contradictions, between Jordanians and Palestinians.

    It should also demolish all parochial ideologies such as territorial nationalism, namely exaggerated Palestinian and Jordanian nationalisms, ideologies that grow out of fanatical tribalism which Islam condemns as acts of Jahilyya or ignorance.”

    Reunifying the Arab populations on the two banks of the River Jordan as existed between 1948-1967 will give you the national dignity and self determination you had during those years and end any current Israeli occupation or control.

    Why is this not an acceptable – even if not 100% ideal – situation for you to compromise on?”

    Again a YES or NO will suffice

  18. abdul karim said,

    May 26, 2010 at 14:41

    Mr. Singer,

    you call it diatribes only because your supremacist worldview. In your little racist universe or ethnic supremacism you condone ethnic cleansing and want to make it permanent. Then you keep asking why this is not acceptable.

    Ok lets play the game: let all american jews be expellef to antarctica. You have a lot of land there. Why is this not acceptable to you? Why did the jews not accept to live i nthe ghettos of europe forever? Why did the jews refuse to convert to christianity during 19 centuries in europe?

    Why wasnt that acceptable to you? A simple YES or NO will suffice. Your diatribes are not needed, just answer this simple question.